OBC NCL
5 years ago
I am 25 years old with my dad as an ASI in ITBP and mom as hp govt. primary teacher. I want to know that am i eligible for obc ncl certificate. We have 7 bigha of agricultural land and 1bigha plot. So i want to know 1.)whether my parents salary and agricultural income be counted or not counted? . 2.)Also plz tell me that plot price would be counted or not? 3) Am i eligible to independently make obc ncl as i am above 25 yrs or my parents salary be counted?
ARPIT BATRA
Responded 5 years ago
A.Income matters a lot in Such situations.
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Deepak Yashwantrao Bade
Responded 5 years ago
A.Dear client as per your query your parents income crossed the eligibility for NCL. income criteria for NCL is upto 8 lacks.your parents salary counted in income.
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A.Dear Sir,
The circulars goes to show that in case of children of Government employees the status of parents will be taken instead of their annual income. The following is the summary of such circulars.
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Income of your parents only will be calculated. Thus you can get the certificate.
The government will consider the parents’ status to determine “creamy layer” instead of status of the candidate applying for the job. In case of women candidates, too, the parents’ status will be considered and not the husband’s status.
Validity period
http://document.ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36036_2_2013-Estt.Res-I-31032016.pdf
Please note that there is no validity period of OBC-NC Certificates.
The Department of Personnel & Training, clarified its position Govt. of India vide OM No. 36033/4/97-Estt.(Res.) dt. 25th July 2003.
It is only a misconception that there is a validity period of OBC-NC Certificate.
Thus OBC-NC Certificate is absolutely valid even if issued for more than 3 years ago but with a self - declaration given by the Candidate as per the format mentioned in the OM.
Find the link to the DoPT OM:
http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_4_97_01April2005.htm
How do I calculate the gross income of my parents (who are government employees) to determine whether I belong to non-creamy layer or not in order to get the OBC reservation?
According to Para 10 of No. 36033/5/2004 - Estt. (Res.) which is a clarification issues to all state chief secretaries regarding clarification on OBC Creamy layer, income from Salaries and Agriculture should not be considered for calculating the gross income. Only the income apart from salaries and agriculture are to be considered.
The para 9 & 10 states as follow:
9. Creamy layer status of sons and daughters of persons employed in organizations where equivalence or comparability of posts vis-a-vis posts in Government has not• been evaluated is determined as follows:
Income of the parents from the salaries and from the other sources [ other than salaries and agricultural land] is determined separately. If either the income of the parents from the salaries or the income of the parents from other sources __ [ other than salari"es and agricultural land] exceeds the limit of Rs.8 lakh per annum for a period of three consecutive years, the •sons and daughters of such persons shall be treated to fall in creamy layer. But the sons and daughters of parents whose• income from salaries is less than Rs. 8 lakh per annum and income from other sources is also Jess than Rs.8 lakh per annum will not be treated as falling in creamy lay r even if the sum of the income from salaries and the income from the other sources is more than Rs.8 lakh per annum for a period of three consecutive years. It may be noted that income from agricultural land is not taken into account while applying the Test.
10. In regard to clause (x) of para 4, it is clarified that while applying the Income/Wealth Test to determine creamy layer status of any candidate as given in Category-VI of the Schedule to the OM, income from the salaries and income from the agricultural land shall not be taken into account. It means that if income from salaries of the parents of any candidate is more than Rs. '8 lakh per annum, income from agricultural land is more than Rs. 8 Jakh per annum> but income from other sources is less than Rs. 8 lakh per annum> the candidate shall not be treated to be falling in creamy layer on the basis of Income/Wealth Test provided his parent(s) do not possess wealth above the exemption limit as prescribed in the Wealth Tax Act for a period of three consecutive years.
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So, if your parents do not belong to higher class jobs, if they have income less than 6 lakh(%% Got revised in 2013) from sources other than salaries and agriculture and their wealth is within the limit , then u are eligible for non creamy layer benefits
Misinterpretation
Most of the people in India misunderstand the concept of creamy layer. Following are some key points that usually misunderstood by the people.
1. The creamy layer category of the candidate will be decided based on the parent’s post/income but not by the candidate’s self post/income.
2. Eligibility regarding a government servants is only based on the level he/she is in, but not by the salary they earn.
3. Rs. 800000 criteria will be applied only to business people but not to salaried people even if he/she is a salaried employee in the government/PSU/private organizations.
4. Business people’s children will fall under the creamy layer only if they earn Rs. 450000 for a period of three consecutive years.[4]
Supreme Court of India
Union Of India vs Rakesh Kumar & Ors on 12 January, 2010
Author: K Balakrishnan
Bench: P. Sathasivam, J.M. Panchal
REPORTABLE
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
CIVIL APPELLATE HURISDICTION
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‘Creamy layer’: Criteria for PSU, bank posts evolved
To grant reservation benefits to the OBC employees
The Centre has evolved criteria to identify posts in the PSUs, public sector banks and financial institutions comparable with those in the government to exclude the ‘creamy layer’ to grant reservation benefits to the OBC employees.
A proposal was examined and approved by a panel of Ministers and sent to the Cabinet for its final nod, a senior government official said.
The same panel had recently cleared the proposal to raise the ‘creamy layer’ ceiling for the Other Backward Classes (OBC) category to Rs. 8 lakh per annum from Rs. 6 lakh for Central government jobs.
The need to draw up the criteria arose as there was lack of clarity in the comparable posts in the State-run undertakings and the government.
The exercise to draw up the set of criteria was undertaken almost 23 years after a 1993 office order of the Department of Personnel and Training (DoPT) providing for 27% quota for the OBCs in government vacancies and laying down categories under the creamy layer.
‘Equivalent posts’
This order merely said the criterion enumerated for Group A and Group B posts would apply to officers “holding equivalent and comparable posts” in the PSUs, banks and financial institutions.
He said the move was aimed at ensuring parity between the posts in the financial institutions with those in the government in reservations.
“There were discrepancies in granting benefits to the OBC employees of such organisations and some were getting undue benefits in the absence of a comparative chart of posts across government and PSUs,” the official said.
Under the 1993 memorandum issued by the DoPT, certain categories are listed under the creamy layer.
Criteria of income
While categories like constitutional posts, Group A/Class I and Group B/Class II were clearly mentioned in it, there was no clarity in regard to the employees of PSUs, banks and insurance organisations.
The order further said pending the evaluation of posts on equivalence or comparable basis in these institutions, the criteria of income test would apply to the officers there.
Office Memorandum by DoPT increasing to Rs.8 lakhs
http://ncbc.nic.in/Writereaddata/636410877391738424Creamy%20layer%202017%20RI%20DKPandey.pdf
Clarification by UPSC
http://www.upsc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Clarification_CreamyLayerOBC_28072015_New.pdf
EQUVALANCE OF POSTS GOVT OF INDIA
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=170348
Government extends concept of creamy layer to PSUs, public financial institutions
In a major development, the Narendra Modi government on Wednesday expanded the ambit of ‘creamy layer’ in OBC reservations to include certain posts in PSUs and public sector financial institutions.
In a major development, the Narendra Modi government on Wednesday expanded the ambit of ‘creamy layer’ in OBC reservations to include certain posts in PSUs and public sector financial institutions. Last week, the income limit defining ‘creamy layer’ in government jobs for OBC reservation was raised to Rs 8 lakh per annum from Rs 6 lakh. Now, the same definition of ‘creamy layer’ would apply to PSUs public sector financial institutions also in OBC reservations.
“This will ensure that the children of those serving in lower categories in PSUs and other institutions can get the benefit of OBC reservations, on par with children of people serving in lower categories in government,” said Finance Minister Arun Jaitley.
The circulars goes to show that in case of children of Government employees the status of parents will be taken instead of their annual income. The following is the summary of such circulars.
===================================================================
Income of your parents only will be calculated. Thus you can get the certificate.
The government will consider the parents’ status to determine “creamy layer” instead of status of the candidate applying for the job. In case of women candidates, too, the parents’ status will be considered and not the husband’s status.
Validity period
http://document.ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36036_2_2013-Estt.Res-I-31032016.pdf
Please note that there is no validity period of OBC-NC Certificates.
The Department of Personnel & Training, clarified its position Govt. of India vide OM No. 36033/4/97-Estt.(Res.) dt. 25th July 2003.
It is only a misconception that there is a validity period of OBC-NC Certificate.
Thus OBC-NC Certificate is absolutely valid even if issued for more than 3 years ago but with a self - declaration given by the Candidate as per the format mentioned in the OM.
Find the link to the DoPT OM:
http://ccis.nic.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02adm/36033_4_97_01April2005.htm
How do I calculate the gross income of my parents (who are government employees) to determine whether I belong to non-creamy layer or not in order to get the OBC reservation?
According to Para 10 of No. 36033/5/2004 - Estt. (Res.) which is a clarification issues to all state chief secretaries regarding clarification on OBC Creamy layer, income from Salaries and Agriculture should not be considered for calculating the gross income. Only the income apart from salaries and agriculture are to be considered.
The para 9 & 10 states as follow:
9. Creamy layer status of sons and daughters of persons employed in organizations where equivalence or comparability of posts vis-a-vis posts in Government has not• been evaluated is determined as follows:
Income of the parents from the salaries and from the other sources [ other than salaries and agricultural land] is determined separately. If either the income of the parents from the salaries or the income of the parents from other sources __ [ other than salari"es and agricultural land] exceeds the limit of Rs.8 lakh per annum for a period of three consecutive years, the •sons and daughters of such persons shall be treated to fall in creamy layer. But the sons and daughters of parents whose• income from salaries is less than Rs. 8 lakh per annum and income from other sources is also Jess than Rs.8 lakh per annum will not be treated as falling in creamy lay r even if the sum of the income from salaries and the income from the other sources is more than Rs.8 lakh per annum for a period of three consecutive years. It may be noted that income from agricultural land is not taken into account while applying the Test.
10. In regard to clause (x) of para 4, it is clarified that while applying the Income/Wealth Test to determine creamy layer status of any candidate as given in Category-VI of the Schedule to the OM, income from the salaries and income from the agricultural land shall not be taken into account. It means that if income from salaries of the parents of any candidate is more than Rs. '8 lakh per annum, income from agricultural land is more than Rs. 8 Jakh per annum> but income from other sources is less than Rs. 8 lakh per annum> the candidate shall not be treated to be falling in creamy layer on the basis of Income/Wealth Test provided his parent(s) do not possess wealth above the exemption limit as prescribed in the Wealth Tax Act for a period of three consecutive years.
________________________________________
So, if your parents do not belong to higher class jobs, if they have income less than 6 lakh(%% Got revised in 2013) from sources other than salaries and agriculture and their wealth is within the limit , then u are eligible for non creamy layer benefits
Misinterpretation
Most of the people in India misunderstand the concept of creamy layer. Following are some key points that usually misunderstood by the people.
1. The creamy layer category of the candidate will be decided based on the parent’s post/income but not by the candidate’s self post/income.
2. Eligibility regarding a government servants is only based on the level he/she is in, but not by the salary they earn.
3. Rs. 800000 criteria will be applied only to business people but not to salaried people even if he/she is a salaried employee in the government/PSU/private organizations.
4. Business people’s children will fall under the creamy layer only if they earn Rs. 450000 for a period of three consecutive years.[4]
Supreme Court of India
Union Of India vs Rakesh Kumar & Ors on 12 January, 2010
Author: K Balakrishnan
Bench: P. Sathasivam, J.M. Panchal
REPORTABLE
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
CIVIL APPELLATE HURISDICTION
============================================================
‘Creamy layer’: Criteria for PSU, bank posts evolved
To grant reservation benefits to the OBC employees
The Centre has evolved criteria to identify posts in the PSUs, public sector banks and financial institutions comparable with those in the government to exclude the ‘creamy layer’ to grant reservation benefits to the OBC employees.
A proposal was examined and approved by a panel of Ministers and sent to the Cabinet for its final nod, a senior government official said.
The same panel had recently cleared the proposal to raise the ‘creamy layer’ ceiling for the Other Backward Classes (OBC) category to Rs. 8 lakh per annum from Rs. 6 lakh for Central government jobs.
The need to draw up the criteria arose as there was lack of clarity in the comparable posts in the State-run undertakings and the government.
The exercise to draw up the set of criteria was undertaken almost 23 years after a 1993 office order of the Department of Personnel and Training (DoPT) providing for 27% quota for the OBCs in government vacancies and laying down categories under the creamy layer.
‘Equivalent posts’
This order merely said the criterion enumerated for Group A and Group B posts would apply to officers “holding equivalent and comparable posts” in the PSUs, banks and financial institutions.
He said the move was aimed at ensuring parity between the posts in the financial institutions with those in the government in reservations.
“There were discrepancies in granting benefits to the OBC employees of such organisations and some were getting undue benefits in the absence of a comparative chart of posts across government and PSUs,” the official said.
Under the 1993 memorandum issued by the DoPT, certain categories are listed under the creamy layer.
Criteria of income
While categories like constitutional posts, Group A/Class I and Group B/Class II were clearly mentioned in it, there was no clarity in regard to the employees of PSUs, banks and insurance organisations.
The order further said pending the evaluation of posts on equivalence or comparable basis in these institutions, the criteria of income test would apply to the officers there.
Office Memorandum by DoPT increasing to Rs.8 lakhs
http://ncbc.nic.in/Writereaddata/636410877391738424Creamy%20layer%202017%20RI%20DKPandey.pdf
Clarification by UPSC
http://www.upsc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Clarification_CreamyLayerOBC_28072015_New.pdf
EQUVALANCE OF POSTS GOVT OF INDIA
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=170348
Government extends concept of creamy layer to PSUs, public financial institutions
In a major development, the Narendra Modi government on Wednesday expanded the ambit of ‘creamy layer’ in OBC reservations to include certain posts in PSUs and public sector financial institutions.
In a major development, the Narendra Modi government on Wednesday expanded the ambit of ‘creamy layer’ in OBC reservations to include certain posts in PSUs and public sector financial institutions. Last week, the income limit defining ‘creamy layer’ in government jobs for OBC reservation was raised to Rs 8 lakh per annum from Rs 6 lakh. Now, the same definition of ‘creamy layer’ would apply to PSUs public sector financial institutions also in OBC reservations.
“This will ensure that the children of those serving in lower categories in PSUs and other institutions can get the benefit of OBC reservations, on par with children of people serving in lower categories in government,” said Finance Minister Arun Jaitley.
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Replied 5 years ago
Sir , what about the plot . is that will be counted or not in the income?
Rameshwar Dadhe
Responded 5 years ago
A.By advocate Rameshwor dadhe dear sir if Ur parents income above the 8 lakh then Ur no eligible for it
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A.Dear Client,
Yesterday I answered your question probably.To repeat and for better understanding here you have to look in to two words seriously.One word is family and the second word is total income.If you 25 years old it is fine.Do you have a family?Are you not dependent on your parents? Are not you staying with your parents under one roof and sharing one kitchen?Why do you need need a OBC NCL certificate? I am sure you are not going to make condiments out of it?You want to submit to the educational Institution to get certain benefits/advantages given under the Constitution which is legally binding..To repeat some portion what I had stated yesterday.
Creamy layer income cap for OBCs raised to Rs 8 lakh per annum
PTI| Updated: Sep 13, 2017, 05.54 PM IST
NEW DELHI: The 'creamy layer' ceiling for OBCNSE 2.42 % reservation has been raised to Rs 8 lakh from the existing Rs 6 lakh per year, according to an official order issued today.
This means that children of persons having a gross annual income of Rs 8 lakh or above for a period of three consecutive years would fall under the creamy layer category and would not be entitled to the benefit of reservation available to Other Backward Classes.
"It has now been decided to raise the ..
The other option is go to the RI Office/Tahasil Office/Court where normally Income Certificates are issued they will tell you .
Still better ask an Advocate through Vidhikarya.com.
Shanti Ranjan Behera,Advocate
Yesterday I answered your question probably.To repeat and for better understanding here you have to look in to two words seriously.One word is family and the second word is total income.If you 25 years old it is fine.Do you have a family?Are you not dependent on your parents? Are not you staying with your parents under one roof and sharing one kitchen?Why do you need need a OBC NCL certificate? I am sure you are not going to make condiments out of it?You want to submit to the educational Institution to get certain benefits/advantages given under the Constitution which is legally binding..To repeat some portion what I had stated yesterday.
Creamy layer income cap for OBCs raised to Rs 8 lakh per annum
PTI| Updated: Sep 13, 2017, 05.54 PM IST
NEW DELHI: The 'creamy layer' ceiling for OBCNSE 2.42 % reservation has been raised to Rs 8 lakh from the existing Rs 6 lakh per year, according to an official order issued today.
This means that children of persons having a gross annual income of Rs 8 lakh or above for a period of three consecutive years would fall under the creamy layer category and would not be entitled to the benefit of reservation available to Other Backward Classes.
"It has now been decided to raise the ..
The other option is go to the RI Office/Tahasil Office/Court where normally Income Certificates are issued they will tell you .
Still better ask an Advocate through Vidhikarya.com.
Shanti Ranjan Behera,Advocate
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